Female Enjoyment

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of every type - food, sex, recreational

why are most people uncomfortable with it?
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    Re: Female Enjoyment

    Thu, January 10, 2008 - 5:52 PM
    Could you elaborate somewhat more? That's a hugely vague, open-ended question and it's more involved than "people just aren't comfortable with women enjoying X." About the only thing I'd say it's really THAT cut and dried is the sex part.
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      Re: Female Enjoyment

      Thu, January 10, 2008 - 6:29 PM
      I'd prefer to leave it open-ended and vague, to give space for people to wander. I will elaborate though.

      there seems to be a "safe zone" of female enjoyment that's defined by the society a woman lives in. I'm currently fascinated with the strong reactions people can have when a woman indulges in pleasure on her own terms, without something/someone defining it for her.

      food - enjoying, restricting. How people's attitudes can shape a girl's relationship with food. Right to judge woman's appearance "she needs to eat more", "pig" . food, image and self-worth. How they relate to each other.

      recreational - partying, alcohol, drugs. hedonism. People want to protect women, but is there something more to it?

      sex - this one's done to death, but: the loose woman and slut label.

      Is that a bit clearer?
      • Re: Female Enjoyment

        Thu, January 10, 2008 - 7:11 PM
        Yep. Perhaps it is because it seems to indicate that the individual is seeking to distance themselves from social prohibitions and the social "cohesion" that those prohibitions reputedly stand for; ethical undocking by the individual from historical moralities? Or...?
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        Re: Female Enjoyment

        Thu, January 10, 2008 - 7:39 PM
        I'll come back to this one later, but I'm going to comment on the 'people want to protect women' bit because that one comes up time and again.

        "People" don't want to protect women. Let's be real here. It's not about "people." It's about men. MEN want to CONTROL women, not protect them. If men didn't go on their stupid protection racket--women need to be careful about where they go, what they wear, how much they drink, etc. then men wouldn't have easy, tried and true, convenient excuses to misdirect the blame when one of them rapes a woman. As long as we put ANY responsibility for rape and assault onto a woman, we give men an excuse. "You were wearing that/staying there/drinking alone/flirting...WHAT DID YOU EXPECT!!?!???!?!??" By attaching that final clause, asking a woman what did she expect would happen, men are being written off as animals prone to acts of brutality and without any control over their actions.

        It's not about protecting women. there's not something 'more' to it, there's something else to it entirely. Control. Ownership. NOT protection. It was never about protection.
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          Re: Female Enjoyment

          Thu, January 10, 2008 - 10:59 PM
          I agree with that. The human race has a hard time understanding the difference between control and protection. Governments, men, parents. etc. Self-rule is so important.
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          Tue, January 15, 2008 - 3:17 PM
          Well, if you want to start to get into the debate about human evolution, maybe it was about protection? I mean, it wasn't a shangri-la of paradise way back before humans had any guarantee of making past the age of one, let alone going to Men Power meetings. The fact is that there is a statistical dimorphism between the sexes, on average. And that indicates that evolutionarily, there has been different roles for males and females in human social structures. Now, we can go into why that may no longer apply as a rationale...but to ignore some of what appears to be evolutionary history, in the physiology and probable parallel psychological development of human beings is kind of...weird.

          Having said all that, I don't think that this dimorphic evolution should necessarily dictate current social structures...because, heck, we, human beings, through our social structures and technology, have eliminated most of the major dangers to individual survival...if one ignores our tendency to degenerate into mutually hostile groups.

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