I think real men are just real people who happen to be male.

People who project their fears on other people instead of facing it themcellves aren't real people, whatever genatalia they happen to be wearing.

are you familiar with john stoltenberg's work? "refusing to be a man" and "ending manhood." he was andrea dworkin's partner and an outspoken anti-porn feminist who used similar language as you have.

but i'd like to suggest some care here, especially around the term "manhood." true enough, "real man" is almost always used to bully men into becoming tougher, and rarely a kind term. but "manhood"? feminism that is anti-sex or anti-male at its root is not the most forward thinking feminism, though i certainly respect the backgrounds from which these feelings come.

recognizing differences -- not only between women and men, but among them as well -- is an important step in true liberation. men do have some tendencies which differ from women, generally speaking, and no amount of social constructionism is going to make that all go away. and THAT'S OKAY. because difference does not have to mean someone is better or someone is being mistreated. i now lobby for respecting MORE differences among individuals than trying to erase them -- we need to accept the variety of sexual and gendered configurations that the smorgasbord of humanity has to offer.

as important and vital and beautiful as it is for us and other men to honor and explore our femininity, it is also vital to be open and honor masculine tendencies as well. we are morally responsible for our actions and how we treat people, and difference is okay. if feminist men cannot be self-loving as well as recognize their part in the systematic mistreatment of women and others, then they will not be part of the solution either.

I have to agree with the incredibly well-spoken Jeff here. There are positive and negative aspects to both sexes, and we have to exhalt the good things inherent to both men and women. And I agree- we need to nurture an environment that embraces sexual equality, not only for men who embrace their femininity, but women who embrace their masculinity.

RE: Real Men.

As a real man, and a fag. Since I was born with a penis. I have growen to be a real man, eventhough I am also a fag. But I was not born a fag! But I was a man..........

As a survivor of torture. Where I had my childhood murded, and my soul raped, at the hands of 3 gen. of women. A famlily I was only born into, coz in 1959 my daddy to be, was forced at gunpoint to marry some town bike, whom was 7 months up the duff, and no ring on her finger.

So I was to get this town bike (Pat) for a mum, her bastard daughter for a sis, aswell Pats mum granny green for a granny. All of these women raped my soul, and deprived me of a childhood. Therefor killing it. My childhood was spent in a concentration camp, and these 3 women, my jailers.

If it was not for all this torture, where I could be dragged off at any moment of the day and night, to be tortured; oh and the mental mindfucking, that has never stoped to this day.

So when at the age of 5. I was tort the language of fellatio, and thus, looking upon this as tender touch. I was born with a dick. So therefor a male. I was not born a fag. But I have lived my whole life as one, just as I have lived my whole life as a male, a man.......

To be a Fag one must:
be born with a dick,
be a regular guy,
to be a man's man, or a man,
One can not be:
Bi,
a breeder, this comes under bi
a girly man; no queen's.
I am a fag........

But I am not gay! As anything can stand under that banner. But not anyone can stand under the banner of FAG.
Since I have never breed. I have not created misery, therefore no shame.

You Talk about Violent men. Gee's. What about feminazies. Truly women full of hat. Expecially for anything, with a dick!!!!!!

Why is it so thatthese women, whom have noting but hate for men, yet they exude all they hate about men. Agressive, dominant, controlling, bigots. My god, and they let these women breed, and be teachers.

So as a person not born a fag, and growing up in a world were women were the Nazies, now I have growen up. I live without any family, and the community I am meant to belong to, if I want a family; the gay community. Where women here too are the Nazies; feminazies.

So mate please don't put all the wrong in the world on men. As women have none just as much, to help make things worse too.

I am proude to be a real man, a regualr guy, whom like to suck cock. I thank god I never chose to me a girly man; just as the feminazies have done a lot of damage, coz they stick out so much, so do and have the girly men, and I want to be a real man leather queen's; yuk.