Smear campaigns and inappropriate postings

topic posted Wed, June 27, 2007 - 9:02 PM by  Timbozo
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Franky, who hasn't seen this where the feminist cause is subverted to socialism, the GOP, etc? I'm not saying the Democratic Party fully supported the Equal Rights Amendment...but smearing candidates before they've been asked the question is inappropriate use of the Internet. Further, the agent-provocateur frequently uses the tactic of imparting partisanship that is not there to progressive forums to drive a wedge between the potential allied factions that can be the difference between success or failure politically of a progressive agenda. It's an old tactic and a tiresome one. I just wanted to point out via the link above as an FYI to a decidedly anti-Democrat Party bent that has been enthusiastically been broadcast in dozens of tribes on or about June 8.

My favorite spam anti-Democratic smear posting by a certain gentleman? His posting an Anti-Democrat Presidential Candidates posting in...the AntiRepublican tribe! Good show, Geronimo! Of course, you don't care whether you alienate folks from our particular causes...it's whether you can drive a wedge between us and any potential Democratic allies...from >all< progressive causes simultaneously that is likely to be the effect, if not also the underlying motivation.

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    Re: Smear campaigns and inappropriate postings

    Thu, June 28, 2007 - 10:30 AM
    Yes Timbomov, yours does look like a smear campaign and inappropriate posting.

    And yes the Democrats have failed to pass the ERA.

    I am just as anti-Republican as I am anti-Democrat and my posts are clear on that.

    Opposing the pro-war sexist Democrat Party does not make me an agent provocateur.

    And as for me advocating my views for women's rights from within the context of being a socialist, well I am a socialist and advocating those views is not illegal in this country yet.

    Part of how the capitalists rule in this country is by promoting the absurdities of religion, often chalk full of sexist and homophobic hatred. Rightwing talk show hosts and TV evangelists are given all kinds of airtime in the corporate media while the left is completely excluded. The capitalist politicians then also use these prejudices such as against gays and gay marriage and abortion to keep portions of the population down and more easily exploited as well as to keep the people distracted and divided.

    Socialists take a clear position in opposition to this monopoly the right has on the media and instead advocate women's rights, BGLT rights, atheism, and socialism.

    It took a mass movement outside of the capitalist power structure to win the right to abortion, and this capitalist government has been chipping away from it ever since. In addition the capitalist politicians, bought and paid for by the capitalist class, did not even give women the legal equality of the Equal Rights Amendment. Likewise on gay rights legal equalities like gay marriage and the right to equal employment are also denied, with Clinton’s “don’t ask don’t tell” being an ugly example.

    In employment the capitalists profit directly from these inequalities. They get away with paying women less. Likewise all of the divisions they have created make it easier for the capitalists to divide labor and keep us from uniting and fighting effectively in unions as well as on a wider scale in society against the capitalist class. Not only are these divisions themselves harmful, but the minds of those that are poisoned by racism, sexism, and homophobia are incapable of seeing injustice; are usually blind to even their own oppression; and are much more likely to see the entire capitalist system of exploitation, imperialist war, and oppression as justified.

    Unfortunately racism, sexism, and homophobia are ideological bulwarks that prop up and sustain the capitalist system and are promoted by the capitalist power structure. As such, it is necessary to sustain a visible and militant struggle for equality with, and at least for some of us in the present we also have, an ultimate goal that includes women's liberation through socialist revolution.

    Pass the ERA!

    Free Abortion On Demand!

    Free The New Jersey Four!
    • Re: Smear campaigns and inappropriate postings

      Thu, June 28, 2007 - 10:42 AM
      "the feminist cause?"

      There's just one? And wait, socialism subverts it? I'm with Steven on this one. Are you trollbaiting, T-bo, or is there the framework of an argument here? If so, could you make it please, rather than just kind of implying it?

      As long as I'm asking the rhetorical question, I'm still musing on the question in the other thread as to whether there really is some identifiable 'female interest,'--a single factor that all women have in common.

      The 'possibility' of childbearing isn't enough of a common factor. Possibilty isnt' actuality, and when the actuality occurs, it gets experienced in entirely different ways, depending on class, culture, etc.

      The only things I could think of are that we have tits and that the biological fact of sexual penetration possibly gives us a certain perspective on sex. Almost all of us fuck at one time or another, whether or not we have children. But we don't all use our tits for the same thing at all, and a lot of guys seriously dig sexual penetration and a lot of women don't. So even that's not enough of a connection.

      It does seem to be the case that women have less political authority and autonomy than men in almost all cultures. This bears out historically and anthropologically. There are some exceptions, of course, and the degree varies from one culture to the next. So does the rationale for the asymmetry.
      • Re: Smear campaigns and inappropriate postings

        Sat, June 30, 2007 - 1:21 AM
        "the feminist cause?"

        I agree that that was a poor choice of words and should more properly have been "feminist causes", not singular. Thank you for pointing that out.

        Okay, I give up. Bombing of a dozen or more progressive tribes for "a socialist" party (?) agenda using an anti-Democratic presidential candidate smear campaign is cool. Let the bombing continue. Good thing really. Will liven those forums up. Create dialog. Sure. In fact, it will encourage moderates and liberals alike to help swell the various movements and bring in droves of new members. Yeah. Good show. Continue on. Don't mind me.

        I'm saying that the dialog is not helpful and question the appropriateness of the whole topic to this and many other forums that were introduced by the bombing campaign of Citizen Argue. My cause sounds more vagues because I don't have the passion that Mr. Argue seems to have. But, I worry that zealotry is not turning folks on to causes but turning folks off. It is one thing to be zealous and reasonableness and zealotry don't normally go hand in hand in my experience.

        I suppose that sometimes there are reasons to be zealous. I apologize if I have been over-zealous in my recent zeal to stop the bombing. It must be because I'm the only one, through my own special and unique circumstances, that is tired of spamming in progressive forums. Heck, are there any other folks in most of those forums? Right. Probably not even worth mentioning the whole turgid tale. Best to let the younger alts with more energy drive the whole agenda.

        As for the other issue you mentioned, based on how women and men behave in a genderist fashion quite a bit, genderism being built into many of the world's religions, management structures, certainly the average of biological anatomy and some substantial function in the majority of human beings, there is an obvious interest in asserting non-gender based equality on some level to calm the whole situation down.

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